Harry Potter/Hermione Granger

Elena

Member
Analysing the characters isn't 'bashing' them. Every single character has flaws, Harry is no exception.

At the end of the day, Harry had so many people telling him not to go looking for trouble. They were all protecting him because they believed in him and that he was going to save them. Harry was warned about the connection he had with Voldemort, hence Snape trying to teach him Occlumency. Is Harry to blame for Sirius' death?

In part, yes.

He trusted the vision he saw, regardless of countless warnings that it could be a trap, which we know it was. Just because Harry lost his last connection to his parents, it doesn't dismiss his part in it all.

Is he solely to blame? No.

Dumbledore himself apologised to Harry because he realised that it was a mistake to distance himself from Harry that year.

Ginny Lovegood makes some great points above in regard to how Harry and Hermione's personalities clash. And that's where I have difficulties with this pairing.
 
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Analysing the characters isn't 'bashing' them. Every single character has flaws, Harry is no exception.

At the end of the day, Harry had so many people telling him not to go looking for trouble. They were all protecting him because they believed in him and that he was going to save them. Harry was warned about the connection he had with Voldemort, hence Snape trying to teach him Occlumency. Is Harry to blame for Sirius' death?

In part, yes.

He trusted the vision he saw, regardless of countless warnings that it could be a trap, which we know it was. Just because Harry lost his last connection to his parents, it doesn't dismiss his part in it all.

Is he solely to blame? No.

Dumbledore himself apologised to Harry because he realised that it was a mistake to distance himself from Harry that year.

Ginny Lovegood makes some great points above in regard to how Harry and Hermione's personalities clash. And that's where I have difficulties with this pairing.
I never thought of Sirius's death like that. But I can see your point that Harry would be partly to blame. I think that it is another example of how their personalities clash. Remember, Hermione specifically told Harry that Voldemort might try to do this. One thing about Hermione is that she likes to think before taking action. She is strategic and doesn't always jump into action before she is absolutely sure she can help. Harry, on the other hand, as soon as someone is in danger, specifically if he loves that person, he jumps into action, even if it may be a trick. They would fight a bunch on that an dit would go a bit like this:

"Harry, it may be a trick!"

"He's in danger!"

"But you have to think first!"

"We don't have time! Do you even care about __________?"

Hermione would start crying angrily.

"Of course I do! How dare you suggest that!"

"Well, it doesn't seem like you do!"

"Fine Harry! Go and get yourself killed! Don't expect me to be at your funeral!"

Then she would walk out, one of them would end up being killed, and the other one would blame themselves for the other's death. Stubborn gits.
 

Elena

Member
I never thought of Sirius's death like that. But I can see your point that Harry would be partly to blame. I think that it is another example of how their personalities clash. Remember, Hermione specifically told Harry that Voldemort might try to do this. One thing about Hermione is that she likes to think before taking action. She is strategic and doesn't always jump into action before she is absolutely sure she can help. Harry, on the other hand, as soon as someone is in danger, specifically if he loves that person, he jumps into action, even if it may be a trick. They would fight a bunch on that an dit would go a bit like this:

"Harry, it may be a trick!"

"He's in danger!"

"But you have to think first!"

"We don't have time! Do you even care about __________?"

Hermione would start crying angrily.

"Of course I do! How dare you suggest that!"

"Well, it doesn't seem like you do!"

"Fine Harry! Go and get yourself killed! Don't expect me to be at your funeral!"

Then she would walk out, one of them would end up being killed, and the other one would blame themselves for the other's death. Stubborn gits.
And that's almost as it went in the books:

'Listen,' she said urgently, 'Harry, we need to establish whether Sirius really has left Headquarters.'

'I've told you, I saw -'

'Harry, I'm begging you, please!' said Hermione desperately. 'Please let's just check that Sirius isn't at home before we go charging off to London. If we find out he's not there, then I swear I won't try to stop you. I'll come, I'll d-do whatever it takes to try and save him.'

'Sirius is being tortured NOW!' shouted Harry. 'We haven't got time to waste.'

'But if this is a trick of Voldemort's, Harry, we've got to check, we've got to.'

'How?' Harry demanded. 'How're we going to check?'
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 32: Out of the Fire, page 678, Sep 2014 edition.

Harry is so hotheaded that Hermione is always pleading him to see reason. That would be their relationship. She would always be trying to calm Harry from jumping in head first. I can't see that as something Hermione would do long term. I also see that as why Hermione is like the sister Harry never had. She loves him, just not like that.
 

Tiffany1567

Member
I'm going to start some positivity for my OTP and hopefully that helps liven up the place, and helps other shippers know that they are welcome and won't be ran off <3

Why I ship Harry and Hermione.

First of all, why not. They are there for each other the whole series, they don't abuse each other, or abandon the other. The mutual respect and admiration they have for each other is beautiful. They both have a strong sense of justice. We see their natural and real build of from strangers to friends, and what could be something more so clearly in the books, and that relationship is not at all mirrored in the books with anyone else, we are told it happens but we can't see that it does at all. Hermione treated Harry like a normal person while everyone else cared about his fame, maybe except for a few professors, Sirius, and Remus. The loyalty! The build-up for me is my favorite part of them, you see them grow together, you see them become more until the OOC-ness, and you see their strength and courage that takes them two through the whole series. You don't see either one of them hate the other for how they were born, or how different they are, or make fun of the other for being too brave or too smart.

I love the fanfictions and fanart for this ship. I think the fans of this ship make me ship harder, unlike other ships and fandoms that make me want to give up on the ship or fandom.
 

TyrannicFeenix

New member
Ok, yeah. Have to address that bullshit.
Harry is in NO way responsible for Sirius' death. Voldemort, Bellatrix, Dumbledore and Sirius are responsible for his death.
Dumbledore for keeping Harry in the dark about the DoM and prophecy allowing him to be fooled into a trap for its recovery.
Sirius for playing around when fighting someone as dangerous as Bellatrix.
Voldemort for setting up the whole scenario and Bella for pulling the trigger.

Harry went there to save his godfather, knowing it would likely put him in danger, tried his hardest to leave everyone else behind as they would be at risk as well. And put out the call for responsible reinforcements to back him up as best he could.

So that is just a load of utter rubbish. Especially as it has no impact on the original intent of this entire thread as well. Not sure why Harmony haters feel the need to ruin the only romance JKR actually wrote well. The relationship between Harry and Hermione transcends any other put in the canon text by leagues. I'm glad it was all unintentional, as if she'd been aiming for a Harmony endgame, she'd have ruined as thoroughly as she did Hinny and Romeanie.

I cannot ever see Hermione hating Harry, the pair have stood together against every challenge they've faced except for those occasions that JKR needed to keep Ron's useless arse around for exposition delivery so Harry drops Hermione in favour of Ron completely counter to his true nature. She is the only person who sees him 100% for who he is, instead of the BWL or the rich friend or the lucky hero. She is unafraid to take him to task for being a dickhead, but like a true friend will stick by him if he is hell-bent on being one. Especially galling is seeing someone claiming this nonsense while using a dp showing Hermione buddied up to the Death Eater who advocated for her death from their second year. Now that is truly disturbing.

So many people imply they'd be boring or unable to talk to each other when Hermione is the only one who can drag Harry into sharing most of the time. He's stubborn and has a martyr complex thanks to being raised for slaughter by Dumbledore, but Hermione never stands for his crap. Harry needs Hermione to teach him that the way he handles things is not healthy and to help him grow into the functional human being he'd need to be in society.

As for the sibling garbage, as someone with several of them, Ron and Hermione scream sibling relationship far more than Harry and Hermione ever have. Harry claiming she is one to a person who has proven to have a short temper holding a sharp sword that just ended a Horcrux and is infused with Basilisk venom (something Harry has first-hand experience feeling) is both an effort to keep his fickle friend who just returned from bailing with the only weapon they are sure can affect the Horcruxes they're hunting and yet another forced effort by JKR to derail the unintentional romance she had written across the first five books and that threatened her precious endgame.

And that's all the ranting I have time for on this topic. Smh.
 
People are justifying Harry/Hermione sibling relationships by saying that Ron/Hermione is a sibling relationship. But has someone even once said that they ship Ron/Hermione here? No. For me, Ron/Hermione is exactly the same thing as Harry/Hermione. I've never read a single Ron/Hermione fanfic out of my distaste for the ship, so honestly, I still don't get your point. But you know what? I give up. Everyone here is stubborn, and are allowed to have their own opinions on ships.

And for the record, Harry was protecting Sirius, but he did tend to rush into action. I know it was out of love; Sirius was the last person he had left. But at the same time, he was still a tiny bit to blame, even if he thought he was doing it for good and was protecting his godfather
 
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